WHY ARE THE "DIC" TOONS SO UNDERRATED?

[CAPT. GRID-IRON]

So after watching all the DIC toons over again over christmas break, i have to say season one has some really great episodes, and i think that many fans have vastly UNDERRATED these shows. They have introduced some great new characters like PATHFINDER and CAPT. GRID IRON. Sure its not your 1980's characters but that does not mean it can't be good.

So does anyone else understand why so many people "UNDERRATE" these shows?

[WildWeasel]

Two reasons in my eyes. First, Metal-Head. Always running around saying "BANG!" "BANG!". It was like always having all three of the original Dreadnoks around which should only be taken in moderation. Second, in the second season they totally dumbed down General Hawk, Scarlett, Storm Shadow, Snake Eyes and Duke. They made these characters mere shadows of their former Sundbow selves.

To be fair to DiC, I think they made G.I. Joe more kid like. Sunbow made a cartoon, but at times the subjects where very mature. The animation was better too. Also, DiC was working on the Joe toon when it was "changing hands" between generations. So I'm sure there was not nearly the same amount of kids watching it as there was with the Sunbow series. So you have less fans of it these days.

[Tolan]

....Kids began to play more and more video games ...

[backpack]

I have fond memories of rushing home from school and watching the Dic series. Matter of fact I happen to enjoy every incarnation of Joe toons. However, I think that the Sunbow series set the bar really high as far as aesthetic and storytelling something which much of the later toons have failed to match. Which IMO is why alot of them get flack from the fans.

[Dark 5cythe]

Dic toons are underrated because nostalgia clouds judement lol.

I happen to love the Sunbow and DIC toons. In fact I have them all on DVD and I think they each have their own charm.

[Saboteur]

I think Tolan could be on to something.
Also, most of the Joes fans (I think "most" but could be wrong) stopped with Joe around '86 and was gone by the time of the movie. (of course later generations were coming around at this time)
So, by the time DIC rolled around, most of the big joes that the old joe fans knew from the Sunbow days and remembered were either gone or changed in appearance.
Also, like WW said, it lacked alot of maturity that the old Sunbow seasons had. (No offense to the DIC fans. I just believe it was more geared to smaller children.) And so, any chance of luring in the old fans from the eighties was slim, because those fans were older now and as teens or being in your early 20's, the silly stuff was a no go.
I think the powers to be knew that many of the joe fan crowd left around 86 and the movie, and wanted to revamp it to a new generation of kids.
There WERE lots of good shows in that Chuckles, I agree. One thing I always thought was neat was that Red Star, a Russian was part of the team. After the Cold War, it was okay in the cartoon world to embrace Russians and feel comfortable with them or having them on your team.
During the Sunbow run, the cold war was in effect, and the Russians were our greatest enemy and fear, so they were not part of the Joe team who stood for freedom, when Russia was a communistic country.
Sabo

[Agent-GHQ]

I was at the age where I had just out grew the toys and cartoons and more into the females by the time "Dic" came around. However, I would have loved to watch the "Dic" and give it a thumbs up!

[beyondthepack]

I would have to agree to the above mentioned. I like many of us Loved the 80's Joe cartoon, when it changed hands over to Dic, even at a young age I could tell that something was missing. The quality wasn't there, some of the voices returned like the late Chris Latta, and Sgt. Slaughter, but still it was different.

[Dark 5cythe]

I would have to agree to the above mentioned. I like many of us Loved the 80's Joe cartoon, when it changed hands over to Dic, even at a young age I could tell that something was missing. The quality wasn't there, some of the voices returned like the late Chris Latta, and Sgt. Slaughter, but still it was different.

Thats true. It took a silly turn. Totally new writers, some of which came from ghostbusters.

But DIC has some serious upsides. All new vehicles, all new characters. Updated outfits for joes such as SS.

[MORE_MACHINE_THAN_MAN]

I DONT EVEN THINK I REMEMBER THAT SERIES....

[CADPAT]

Second, in the second season they totally dumbed down General Hawk, Scarlett, Storm Shadow, Snake Eyes and Duke. They made these characters mere shadows of their former Sundbow selves.

Not hard to do in Snake Eyes' case, given his Sunbow characterization post The M.A.S.S. Device inexplicably seems to alternate between "punching bag" and "punchline".

[HissCommander]

DIC cartoons were ok. They changed with the times. Drugs and desert storm fatigues lol. They werent all that bad